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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2012, 01:00:43 AM »
"“I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it okay to call the police? Here’s one that’s really important ‘cause we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town: Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? ”
—    Jed Bartlet, The West Wing

We don't follow everything that the bible says because much of it is outdated. Examples above. Deciding to say that gay people can't get married due to some references in the bible about homosexuality being a sin is flat out discrimination. Imagine saying that only white people can get married, though black people can have civil ceremonies. It's ridiculous, and there's not really any way of sugar coating that.

Sure, the majority might not care, but it's still something that's representing them as less, or wrong compared to heterosexual people. "No, you can't get married as you are built wrong in a genetic fashion". Equality shouldn't be done in half measures.

Additionally, saying that gay marriage is wrong because it won't lead to the procreation of children; does this mean we should also strip the right to get married from people who are infertile and physically can't have children? Can we tell people who don't want to have children because of whatever reason they can't get married because they'll be missing the point?

As someone with gay friends who do support gay marriage, it's something I feel pretty strongly on haha.

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2012, 06:47:56 AM »
May have already posted this elsewhere but according to Creationists we all descended from Adam & Eve.

Adam & Eve had 2 sons.

Hmmm

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2012, 07:09:51 PM »

Adam & Eve had 2 sons.

Hmmm

Always thought the same myself  :)

@Darax, nice quote  ;)

As time progresses we let more and more once shunned upon 'practices' become more socially acceptable.
Henry the VIII had his wives beheaded and started the CofE so he could re-marry.
The core religion of this country is the CofE, isn't the queen part of it.
CofE doesn't allow same sex marriages in church. In the eyes of god.
They have made some changes over the years, gay vicars, female vicars etc.
If every minority group got everything they wanted in this country wouldn't the country be in chaos.

eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Would you be happy with this.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2012, 08:11:17 PM »
What makes you think there is a god?
I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it left.

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2012, 08:27:03 PM »
Relating to Henry VIII point... http://24.media.tumblr.com/9c5d1259230fe9b3fad95f37b602bd6e/tumblr_mezh6rUFLI1r8whd0o1_1280.jpg ;)

Honestly I don't know enough about Sharia Law to comment fully on it, but let's use the quote from the first couple of paragraphs from the wikipedia definition.

"Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God"

And quoting yourself Fly

"CofE doesn't allow same sex marriages in church. In the eyes of god."

Do the two things not sound vaguely similar? Gay people can't get married because of what the Bible says. Sharia Law is the following of the moral code which is interpreted from the Quran.
It's essentially a more hardcore version of the Church not allowing people to get married.

I don't agree with it, seeing as it does have implications of it negatively effecting human rights because of very old religious doctrine. There is a difference between this and the case of homosexual people not being able to get married as a minority demanding rights, though.

Religion is, at the end of a day a choice. Beliefs can be changed to fit in with modern society; and they should be. Homosexuality isn't a choice. It's not something that people can opt out of, it's the way they were born. It's in their genetics.

If the happiness of two people being in love and being able to join together under the eyes of god causes the country to fall into chaos, then I think it's a pretty daft country that we live in.

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2012, 09:02:38 PM »
Basically, would you like the law of this country to allow your Grandad to select your granddaughters future husband.

I don't think so !!
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2012, 12:29:04 AM »
Basically, would you like the law of this country to allow your Grandad to select your granddaughters future husband.

I don't think so !!

"I don't agree with it, seeing as it does have implications of it negatively effecting human rights because of very old religious doctrine."

So no, I would not like that.

But the two things (being gay marriage and sharia law) are diametrically opposed liberal and ultra conservative political philosophies. If someone is arguing for the liberal side of things I think it's odd to somehow equate it to agreeing with the latter? Wanting an end to discrimination is nowhere near wanting a system passed that is even more prejudiced.

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2012, 11:08:33 AM »
If we have a God and Jesus did exist - would either of them want gay people treated differently to others? It would go against everything they are supposed to stand for - Bible or no Bible
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 04:01:55 AM »
Hello, by definition:
Marriage is the formal union of a man and a woman - the oxford English dictionary.
If Adam & Steve wish to be united, that is good for them - good luck.
BUT it can NOT be labelled a marriage - it is not a man and a woman.
It HAS to be labelled something else.  There is nothing wrong with same sex
unions.  BUT the appropriate use of language MUST be used.

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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2012, 10:20:18 AM »
Re:Also when they bolt the chassis to the body on the jaguar xf production line, they call the process a "marriage".
>When an idiot speaks, people generally laugh
>the process is called a marriage, but you can call anything, anything U like
What IS accepted as the English labguage is defined by the oxford English dictionary -  no mention of village idiots

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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2012, 12:10:16 PM »
>When an idiot speaks, people generally laugh
no mention of village idiots

Get the beer and popcorn everyone, this could be fun!!!  >;
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2012, 12:28:03 PM »
Well I'm pissing myself here for one   ;)
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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2012, 02:16:53 PM »
Mis spelt word - the process is called sarcasm - or did that go WHOOSH over your head

 

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