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Are the LibDems dead?
« on: October 21, 2014, 01:02:48 PM »
From the Telegraph this morning:

Liberal Democrats fall behind Greens into fifth place in new general election poll

Nick Clegg's party now trails Labour, Tories, Ukip and Greens in national poll amid fears the party faces electoral oblivion next May

http://bit.ly/1wsmaLW
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 02:14:37 PM »
Just saw this - another reminder of why the LibDems are doing so badly.

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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 02:56:49 PM »
said it before but those were the manifesto promises of a lib dem government which we haven't actually got.

But the original premise of the post is quite correct. Tory voters will blame the lib dems for holding Cameron back. Labour voters will blame them for propping him up. The protest voters will flock to UKIP this time.
I doubt they will get more than 10 seats.
Clegg (if he gets voted back in which is by no means certain) will resign. Whether he then gets his wish to be an EC commissioner will be interesting. The new leader of the Lib Dems (and given so few MP's god knows who that would be) will then have to spend the next 5 and maybe 10 years re-positioning the party away from the Tories.
They may be in the wilderness for quite some time.
You have to speculate where they and the country would be if Gordon Brown had agreed to resign so allow them to join forces with Labour and form a minority government.
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 03:34:48 PM »
That's all well and good Jon - but the reality is that the LibDems are on a hiding to nothing.

IMHO the Greens deserve to their new-found popularity - read their manifesto.

A coalition of Greens and Labour is our best hope. Shame about the Labour component in that equation, but anything is better than the current rich, greedy bastards.
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 03:44:29 PM »
Pete you could set up a campaign group to gather votes for the coalition of the two
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 05:09:24 PM »
Did you read all of my post Pete? I agreed with you they are going to be practically wiped out. In any other year the greens could indeed have done well but this time the protestors are going to flock to ukip. And if they do then there's only going to be one loser and that's us the electorate. Because as has clearly been demonstrated recently the two big parties will a)spend their time telling us why we shouldn't vote ukip rather than why we should vote for them whilst b) altering their own policies to pander to the issues they think are appealing to ukip voters ie immigrants and Europe.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 05:17:32 PM »
and then they will go back on what they said
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 05:35:39 PM »
Liberal Democrat's who are they ?  :)) well Clegg made his bed in 2010 didn't he?, now he his paying the price. Paddy Ashdown warned Clegg that a coalition would be the death kneel for the Liberals but no Clegg knew best. I don't think Clegg can hold Cameron back proven many times over.  Cameron is strong willed driven by Thatchers ideas of hate and division just look how people are suffering but who gave the keys to power - Nick Clegg.

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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 06:34:05 PM »
As part of the coalition they give themselves credit for influencing the Tories on successes but distance themselves from unpopular policies. Can't have it both ways and it doesn't wash with the public.

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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 08:07:59 PM »
Nationally, have the LibDems/Liberal party ever been taken serious.
Aren't they the in-betweeners.
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 09:04:44 PM »
Yes Fly - but a long time ago, I believe they were in power once. Try Wikipedia.
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Re: Are the LibDems dead?
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2014, 10:35:26 PM »
The Liberals were once the main oppostion to the Tories.
Gladstone, Asquith and Lloyd-George probably being the most famous liberal PM's
In relative terms the Labour party is a fairly new one being formed in the 1900's and only overtaking the liberals in the 1920's

Incidentally the Liberal party (i.e. those members who refused to join with the SDP to form the Lib dems) still exists all be it as an irrelevance in national politics.
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